In fact, going from a 17 inch barrel up to 18 inches, actually LOST velocity in all but two of the loads, although the decrease was negligible in those instances. Knock down power is quantifiable by the Taylor Knock Down Index. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Across the spectrum, the .45 had no discernible or predictable muzzle velocity reading between barrel lengths with the shortest length often outpacing the longer ones. 9mm is the way to-go. Muzzle Energy. I would take the 1911 but some folks freak when they open carry. This is meant to give a clear and uncluttered picture to the consumer or end user in regard to what is currently available off the shelf. Thanks for your opinion, its valid. I have owned both and prefer the 1911A1 style and stopping power. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. I would have to say that for me I am more accurate with a .45 acp then a 9mm but that may be because the 1911 is a better fit for me and feels better balanced then a polymer 9mm. Enjoyed the reasoned comments. My sub-compacts with their polymer frames are smaller and easier and lighter to carry than a steel 1911. Sure you can fire a .45 as quick as a 9mm but it's gonna hurt your accuracy, doesn't matter how strong you are. In addition to this, the lower recoil, less wear, cheaper ammunition and higher capacity were all reasons that the report cited for the recent surge in orders of the ammunition from various police agencies. Thanks for the article, and for the mature comments. Muzzle energy is important, however, whoever said that 9mm has more muzzle energy that .45 ACP is pulling numbers of of their ass unless they are making an unfair comparison of +P 9mm to normal .45 ACP. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. And, if you are really concerned about penetration on hard targets, then you should probably be carrying a magnum or the .357 SIG or 10mm rounds, not a 9x19mm or .45 ACP. If the bullet is traveling slowly, it will generally drop sooner, like the tossed ball; if it is hurled with speed, like the fastball, it will maintain a straight trajectory. But if cost IS an issue, then a well placed shot with a high grain 9mm FMJ is better than a poorly placed .45what I mean is that you have to get your time in at the range. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. CQB scenarios where youre within the 17 engagements and you want to do work quietly, the .45 ACP has all of the advantages. Somewhere between the barrel lengths of 4.4 in which i think is redundant for a P.C.C. There is a plethora of loads in both 9mm and .45 that do a better job of expanding and out perform the FBI test rounds in nearly every way. In my .45 version of this test, I ended up with three Sig pistols and a Smith and Wesson. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. I have my shooting partner tell me which to shoot. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. In my case it was no weapons displayed (but you must always assume present) against a $h!t brick linebacker. As you might imagine, muzzle velocity varies quite widely depending on the type of gun you are shooting. Lousy ass training and poor shooting skills of theor agents. Did you know Eve was not the first woman? As far as the exact affects for self defense reasons? that is much easier to deal with. But no more. They're comparable. As to increased penetration, this is only really a concern for LE. * lighter recoil faster follow up shot (see above) Fragmentation, on the other hand, does not reliably occur in handgun wounds due to the relatively low velocities of handgun bullets. I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. FBI agents have been observed to shoot faster and more accurately with the 9mm. HANDGUN BALLISTICS. Few people carry the G 34 however which is usually used for competition shooting. Quantserve sets the mc cookie to anonymously track user behaviour on the website. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. I knew folks who carried small .22LR automatics (Beretta etc) or light weight revolvers that family could Mail to RVN. That is kind of odd to me!! If I am going mowing in bear country, my 1911A1 and eight FMJS are with me in case God forbid a bear attack.s. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. And yes, I know memes are meant to be funny - its just that, unfortunately, the rest of the world can occasionally get a little weary of US flag waving (not saying its your fault; besides, were expecting Americas return as the worlds good guy after January. Great review. So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. The situation is now dissolved without any bystanders in the background getting injured. Thanks, Eric! I own both calibers with two semi autos chambered for each. If youre firing 9mm ammo with a pistol caliber carbine, expect to get another 5-10% velocity out of your ammo. Like working on a car, you have to have the right tools to get the job done. I can shoot my Sig 17-round magazine all day and not feel my wallet getting lighter by the minute. Due to its bulky size I generally leave it wedged in between the front seats of my truck so I can access it fairly quickly, I never badly carry it because of the uncomfortable size and also because I live in Florida a lot of people still dont support concealed carry as much as Id like them to so I worry about it peaking out from under the bottom of my shirt and causing an issue with someone. See you miss a HUGE point. The comfort level of a a Colt Lightweight Commander is on par with anything out there, and that design is older than any of us still alive. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). If a bullet is traveling at a faster speed, it will either penetrate deeper, expand better, or both. As for a Defence caliper the 22 or is the most deadliest cartridge for a handgun at 375 yards I can put right between your eyes or I can put it between your ribs and put a hole in your heart. +P and +P+ rounds are available as well. I like both & depending on where I'm going, how long I'll be gone, what I'm wearing & how I'm feeling makes my choice for me. "the 9mm has evolved to the current power of the 45 acp" as if there have been no developments in the 45 acp and the 45 acp has stood still. For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. n 2014, the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) released a report detailing the potential combat effectiveness of the 9mm cartridge when compared to other calibers such as the .45 ACP and the .40 S&W cartridge that was specifically developed for use by the FBI. It's human nature. A shift to the right or left could clear the background behind them. I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. Firing 12 rounds my 9 mm wouldn't penetrate it or do catastrophic damage to it. Also buy a super bright flash light it will help you see and blind the intruder. Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. Then rinse and repeat as needed. Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. Speed is an important factor for ballistic performance, impacting accuracy, trajectory, energy, and penetration. Not an expert on older 45 sub guns, but I assume they are all straight blowback. You are so lucky Benjamin. COOL STUFF : 25 ACP 32 ACP 327 Magnum 380 ACP 9mm Luger 357 Magnum 357 SIG 38 Special 38 Super 40 S&W 10mm Auto: 41 Magnum 44 Magnum 44 Special 45 ACP 45 GAP 45 Colt 454 Casull 460 Magnum 480 Ruger . All this being said, get good with whatever you get, then, just go with. I'm positive it was a hydro shock because of the distinctive shape of the bullet. When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. When you actually test the loads on living breathing targets (like the Strasbourg test) , that (to me) is the best indicator. 45 will make a bigger hole, which can be a decisive factor in lethality. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ I am good with it, plenty of muscle memory and everything flows easily. I am purest. 5 Rounds of Hell. The only drawback is that it is not super concealable for every day, but I havent looked into a shoulder holster. Maybe 45 has a bigger physical wound channel (Ill leave hydrostatic shock out of it, though the high speed footage of it in ballistics gel is compelling) and 9mm can go through a few extra boards so it evens out. As a beginner, I'm going hiking with lots of bears. All the ballistics from all manufacturers, finally in one place. I went to a self defense class with 12 people, all with 9mm. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/9mm.html El .45 acp es un proyectil mas pesado de 230 granos o casi 15 gramos de peso, de ahi que su velocidad sea subsonica de apenas 264 mts/seg., pero la ventaja es que con un simple roson pone fuera de combate a un adversario, aunque no necesariamente tenga que matarlo. Why would a European war require Brits to fight for the U. S. We helped you with your war, you didnt help us with our war. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. You always try to chose the right tool for the job, no surprise. In that case consider a 10mm or .357 magnum (better get a .44 magnum) depending on how big the bears are. Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! I'll take the the bigger bullet. When I stuck the wire in the hole I was very surprised to see that the bullet had completely penetrated the post, at least 12Read more . Fat & slow or snappy & whimpy Not much of a choice. You are right; the soul is eternal, and only God can condemn it to hell, and ultimately to "the Lake of Fire." I've shot that in Battlefield where all the ballistics are fully verified by experts because it's a computer game. Or blind them. Nobody needs a gun. Just saying. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". It tracks the movement of the bullet in zero wind conditions, and out to 100 yards. Of course they would have already wiped us out so that's not really an issue. If not then 9mm is an amazing option now. Im in the middle of chosing a duty weapon, and settled on the PPQ. Have a nice last couple decades on this planet. So, which round actually produces more recoil? Not only are the Lehigh loads the most visually appealing due to their artful machining, but they ranked the highest in uniformity and had some of the lowest SD (standard deviation) of anything tested. Do you want to be shooting a bullet likely to go through a wall or a car door killing or maiming an innocent bystander? But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! Most people I know use hollow points as they tend to have less penetration through walls and the human body but leave aone nasty show stopping wound What is a "safer" 9mm ammo for home protection, one with similar (or if possible less) penetration risk vs. the average .45 ammo? I eventually switched to 9mm as I started shooting competitions and saw the .40 was a limiting factor. Thanks. LockA locked padlock The subcompact 9mm, is an ideal carry gun but it's lighter weight makes recoil control difficult. BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. I did the math wrong in my first comment and thought the 230gr was significantly more total energy . So what if they are on the opposite side of a wall? Furthermore, the 9mm is more practical for the average shooter looking to spend time on the range. Amount: 1000 Round Case. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. No 9mm arguably matches that bullet's performance. Hornady has an XTP +P 135gr that is an excellent design. I dont understand why a situation in a street would be different than at home. gear. When I was taking a defensive hand gun course( took it multiple times ) at Front site all of my instructors had 45's. If you have to reassess after every shot, then that first shot needs to count. The one thing I never see mentioned about the .45 acp is that because it's a slower round and over penetration issues drop dramatically it, FMJ is still a very good SD/HD ammo. You must dress around your guns. I really hope you were joking with your statement. (Remember the linebacker.) I can tell you from my experiences the hotter the ammo the more difference between barrel lenghts especially the 5 & 10, were can i get a job like yours, just shooting. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. 30.06 They obviously apply to other calibers as well. Maybe for law enforcement but not personal defense situation. Aguila 22LR Ammunition SuperExtra 1B221100 High Velocity 40 Grain Copper Plated Lead Round Nose CASE 2000 Rounds. My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. Ive loved the 45 since my Marine Corps days 50 years ago. The .380 is obviously light and slow and has the least penetration. Most of the 9mm-luger cartridges they tested are still accelerating out to 16, but most of the gains occur by about 10. Facebook As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. What the USA needs is a firearms amnesty where everybody just gives their guns back to be melted. ========================= https://guninstructor.net/Strasborg_Tests.pdf This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. Lend-lease conditions were allegedly exorbitant but the US manufacturing base was undeniably a godsend), plus some of the other margins you refer to were, frankly, too close to argue, so I wont even try. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? http://www.ballistics101.com/45_acp.php I have good friends who shoot .45 and we all get along just fine. Perhaps the slowing velocity is a factor here, but that seems unlikely to me. By the time you've pulled the trigger with a .45, a 9mm can put 3 rounds in any anatomically advantageous area. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. And honestly the 357magnum puts em both to shame. There really isnt any hydrostatic shock to speak of at handgun cartridge velocities to begin with. A .gov website belongs to an official government organization in the United States. I love it. Thank you to our allies, we could not have done it without each other. My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. As Katherine pointed out as well, there are so many variables which can come into play like freezing, forgetting to take the safety off, tunnel vision, forgetting everything you've ever been taught, gun jam, on and on. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Also the title of the article seems to contradict his conclusion that the extremes are seperated by a mere 10%. I have no idea how this compares with the 9mm. Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. No matter what caliber you pick, we got you covered in our Best 9mm Ammo and Best .45 ACP Ammo reviews. Its a battle-tested gun thats played an important role in American history during the 20th century. I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. Shotguns, rifles, pistolshe's been collecting them all for over a decade. You cant beat the trigger on a .45 1911. Youre welcome. any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. If you want knock down power take up boxing . black powder compared to 22, or maybe Im just 45 spoiled! Lets take a look at the selling points of each one to help you decide. Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. The Glock is my every day carry. If FMJ is my only choice, then I won't pick 9mm as my first choice. 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