That is because they are both high speed bullets. Yet, it still suffers from the poor rep it acquired for caked powder squibs, and solids with jackets that were too thin. Ole Roy wasn't the best at thinking up designs. Matte finish. WEATHERBY - LEFT HANDED MKV 300 WEATHERBY MAGNUM. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Ed Weatherby, Roy's son, designed the heavy-game cartridge by necking up the .378 Weatherby Magnum to .416. I never saw any bolt action fail to feed if it wasn`t "short stroked". 340 Wby 200 Sp Is 9.9 in low at 400 yds with a 300 yd 0. Nice rifles, great shooting. Jack Atcheson Jr. and I started in Botswanas Okavango, then shifted to Matetsi in northwest Zimbabwe; it was my first elephant, another first with a .416. I have not played with it in a few years, but with the high bc bullets available now, I have dusted it off. Yeah but you don't need to mistrust one rifle just to add another. Necking up the .378 Weatherby to hold .458-inch bullets, Weatherby surpassed the energy figures of the largest cartridges, to create the most powerful cartridge of all. My friend's father successfully uses a .340 Weatherby and .416 Weatherby to hunt elk in bear country.. Go with the 416. (Shooting Times photo) These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. High gloss finished, walnut stock. Just buy a good aftermarket stock of the style that works best for you. reflex264. Weatherby's cartridges have been first and foremost about speed, so when a . WEATHERBY - LEFT HANDED MARK V .378 WEATHERBY MAG. etc., and am always amused. __utmb cookie is created when the JavaScript library executes and there are no existing __utma cookies. While the statistics of the .378 are heroic, Glenn reminds us, "As we've read, there are many stories floating around the big game hunting circles of the 378's bullet failures on heavy game. The .375 Remington Ultra Mag is a necked-down .404 Jeffery with the same nominal case length as the .375 H&H and Weatherby but a larger case diameter of .550-inch, with the rim is rebated to .534-inch. jorge. Looking at my 2010 Weatherby catalog: 300 Wby 200 Partition is 9.8 in low at 400 yds with a 300 yd 0. Its push feed, but I had no problems when I hunted buffalo or any other animal with it. Dan the 400gr Swifts hold up perfectly. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" or 28" barrels. Why, the .416 Taylor is .35 inch shorter, allowing for a shorter bolt throw! The cookie is updated every time data is sent to Google Analytics. This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. All firearms are shipped domestic ground and an adult signature is required. This is exactly why tens of thousands of shooters bought .300 WSMs, instead of that overly-long and clunky (not to mention, ugh, belted) .300 Winchester, which as every well-read hunter of today knows, is far less accurate and kicks much harder than the .300 WSM. Which is exactly why I normally have a rifle in each factory .25 caliber made (except for the .25 WSSM, though that might change.) They're all great. THE 416 IS THE BEST CHOICE. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hunting+cape+buffalo+with+a+.378+Weatherby+magnum&qpvt=hunting+cape+buffalo+with+a+.378+Weatherby+magnum&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=E7F35CDC0B14DCCDB7ECE7F35CDC0B14DCCDB7EC, Quote from: Marishka on July 07, 2014, 06:40:51 AM, http://www.huntinginafrica.co.za/more-info/minimum-required-caliber/, http://www.huntinginafrica.co.za/more-info/best-caliber-in-africa/, http://www.farrenglobaladventures.com/Caliber%20Minimums.htm, http://www.genesisafricansafaris.com/blog/?p=168, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=604175, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbmneNCNpQ, Quote from: badsection on July 09, 2014, 03:03:15 PM, Quote from: Marishka on July 08, 2014, 05:28:52 AM. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. Chatfield Taylor, John Wooters and Maj John Kingsly-Heath all considered it to be the best combination of recoil, accuracy and economy in a DG rifle yet with all of their praise the cartridge still never became a reality. Type: All Firearms. Rather than an oddball limited to handloaders, the .416 was a common caliber! In terms of ammo availability, the .416 Rigby and Remington are the most common, probably followed by the .404 Jeffery; most of the rest are available from more limited sources. JavaScript is disabled. I have had two 416 Rems and both would shoot fatory 400 grain SAF ammo at over 2500 fps. Reloading- What pressure signs do you stop at. Roy Weatherby introduced this extremely powerful cartridge in 1953, and at that time paired it up with the 1917 Enfield and later the Brevex Magnum Mauser action. I own two Weatherby rifles and have nothing but praise for the MKV design. Its case is a belted version of the big .416 Rigby case, meaning it requires an extra-large action. However the 30/378 with 210 grain partitions has jaw dropping ballistics. But I am not sure why you really need another 2100 ft.lbs over a 458 lott. Expectional free range common reedbuck. Potomac River. Of course, you can increase the velocity on a big bore. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. Twin Mark V Deluxes in .378 and .460, both with Leicas. It works only in coordination with the primary cookie. This cookie is set by the Google recaptcha service to identify bots to protect the website against malicious spam attacks. The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum will drive a 180-grain bullet more than 3,300 fps. Multiple camo patters available. Ive used it at high temperatures in Cameroon, the Zambezi Valley and coastal Mozambique. There is a small risk of petal loss when the GMX is used in this manner though this makes little difference to its performance. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. Working fast and quietly, Remington struck first in late 1988 with their .416 Remington Magnum. Best, John. I have not yet had a chance to shoot it, but I certainly like the way the rifle "holds." Your email address will not be published. It is updated every time data is sent to Google Analytics. New brass was available from Jim Bells Brass Extrusion Laboratories Ltd. (BELL) and from Art Alphins A-Square. Developed by Roys son, Ed, the 416 is a necked up version of the 378 exceeding the power and energy of the 416 Rigby, the 416 Remington Magnum and the 458 Winchester Magnum. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. One comment: These modern cartridges are loaded to higher pressures than the .416 Rigby. As for the bullet diameter, there were other choices. I can send 350 grainers at 3050 to 3100 fps. Condition. Yes on all of your pressure conclusions. The other 416's are equally efficient. Roy Weatherby died in 1988, nearly 45 years after he began his simple quest to find a more effective way to take an animal. The .338-378 has devoted fans in the long-range hunting sub-culture, but only exceeded the .340 Weatherby's muzzle velocity by 119 fps; a small reward for the huge recoil it produces. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. Thus, in a sense, with the .416 Weatherby we have come full circle. The __hssrc cookie set to 1 indicates that the user has restarted the browser, and if the cookie does not exist, it is assumed to be a new session. Rounding things out, in mid-1989 Weatherby necked their .460 Weatherby Magnum down to .416, creating the .416 Weatherby Magnum. In 1956, he contracted with both Sako and Schultz & Larsen to manufacture complete rifles, while he continued to make custom guns in California. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. Weatherby Mark V Dangerous Game .416 Weatherby Magnum 2-Round 26" Bolt Action Rifle in Blued - DGM416WR6B. Hunted. Bullet: Nosler Partition 260 gr: Bullet weight: 16.8 g / 260 gr: B.C: 0.314: C.O.L: 90.5 mm / 3.563 # 44850: Gunpowder Charge Weight Velocity m/s Velocity fps; . Able to fit into a .30-06-length action, with the propellants then available the .416 Taylor lacked the powder capacity to quite equal the .416 Rigbybut it came pretty close. Combining 1911-vintage propellants with use in the tropics, .416 Rigby ammo was always loaded to low pressure. Weatherby MBT20N308NR4B Mark V Backcountry 2.0 Ti 5+1 Cap 26" Graphite Black Cerakote Rec/Barrel Black with Gray & White Sponge Accents Peak 44 Blacktooth Stock Right Hand (Full Size) . Your thoughtsgun). As for recoil, its like the old Russian proverb,"you can get used to anything, if you do it long enough, you can even get used to hanging". Weatherby's .30-378 is the .378 Weatherby Magnum necked down to .30 caliber and can drive a 180-grain bullet in excess of 3,400 fps. Elastomer stock. Note that Roy Weatherby killed and dropped, in its tracks, a Cape Buffalo with one shot from his .257 Weatherby Magnum. It has considerably more punch than the Rigby. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". TRACKING AND RUNNING INTO A PISSED OFF 650 LB LION AT 28 YARDS IN DENSE BRUSH-AFTER SEEING HOW TOUGH THEY ARE- 400 GRAIN DID NOT PASS THRU THE LION. For now I am going to keep mine at 2300fps and the Rigby 2400-2500fps. Available in 12 and 20ga., 3" chambering. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Matte finish. The elements were against us, with rain and mist making visibility poor. Wooters loaded 4320 in his and shot it for years at 2400fps. I have heard/read so many people praise the .416 Rigby -- which in this range of cartridges means they are happy to trust their lives to it, when there are many other details they will complain bitterly about such as PushFeed vs. CRF -- that I have no doubt it is more than enough in its traditional loads. Unfortunately, 40-caliber rifles and larger are required for hunting some species of dangerous game in various countries in Africa. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Handguns; Rifles; Shotguns; . The price for all that goodness is very heavy recoil. Using existing cases, a number of non-standard or wildcat cartridges were developed using the .416 bullet. We had already picked our bull, clearly the biggest and probably the oldest, a giant towering above his buddies, but tuskless, which is what we were looking for. Nothing runsit blasts them so hard they just collapse. #1. It drives a 500-grain bullet to 2,600 fps, for over 7,500 ft.-lbs. Weatherby Vanguard .270Win Boyd's laminated Thumbhole stock Timney trigger Glass bedded barrel, action Vortex Diamonback 4-12x40 Dead hold BDC reticle for accuracy up to 700m Im an average shooter but manage 1/3" at 100m I Reloaded for this rifle Recipe will be included as well as 50 loads I previously prepared. Even the 378 will make you sit up and take notice. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. wyatt, it might depend on who makes the brass, and who loads it. It's as if one after the other tried to top the previous guy in his use of adjectives. Any action that can handle a 375 H+H will handle the 416 Remington. Thanks for postFWB. Mag. When loaded to near Rigby velocity none of the famous shooters ever had a problem with cartridges sticking or being underpowered. (June 2022) The .416 Weatherby Magnum is a belted, bottlenecked cartridge designed by Ed Weatherby and launched commercially in 1989. I load mine to about 2400 fps with 400gr Swift Aframes and old style steel Hornady solids. Early batches of Remington 400 gr. #3. This cookie is set by Google Analytics and is used to distinguish users and sessions. A brake would almost be neccesary unless this was a safari only rifle. ODT Junkie! Must be 18 or older to purchase a firearm. The 378 Weatherby Magnum is third from the right. Although you're not recoil-sensitive, the .460 Weatherby is a true beast, with something like 8. It was a now of never shot. All loads were tested at 100 yards. Retained as a proprietary cartridge, rifles and ammo were only available from Rigby. Ballistics and Drop for the .416 Weatherby Magnum Cartridge Type: Height: 2.913" Width: 0.579" Average FPS: 2720 Average Energy: 6373 Average Gr: 388 Recoil: 4.77 *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of .416 Weatherby Magnum Ballistics cartridge. The cookie is created when the JavaScript library executes and there are no existing __utma cookies. The elephant was taken with Barnes new homogenous alloy Super Solid, first of a whole new breed of bullets. Today, some well-constructed, premium-grade bullets will stand up to the tremendous impact. All Deals; Today; Categories . outperforms it in every way and is logistally better from every standpoint of consideration. The 460 has a trajectory of a mortar round (exaggeration here). But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Yesterday, I got my Lott out.. I don't know the difficulties of getting an American made custom rifle into Australia, but if it is not a big problem . Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" or 28" barrels. I'm leaning to the 378 because of bullet selection - Cutting Edge has a .375, 375gr bullet with a BC of .940, where the .416 Cutting Edge 375gr is around .825. If you can handle the recoil go for it. NOTHING SHOOTS FLATTER. If you are thinking .416 you might give the Wby a look. These days there is so little dangerous game that is being hunted, what what there is of it, a 375 H+H handles it well enough. However, the various lower .40s with, 400-grain bullets at roundabout 2,400 fps, produce more energyand do it with heavier bullets with greater frontal area. I don't have a belt instilled phobia. This was such an amazing harvest of a free range trophy in the hill tops of Dullstroom. In fact, I have one of the first original RSMs that rolled off Ruger's assembly line. The .500/.416 is loaded to lower pressure for use in doubles, and the .400 H&H is purposefully loaded down a bit. Better expanding bulletsfrom Barnes and otherswere just around the corner, but the old Original worked fine. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. The former is based on the huge, proprietary .378 Weatherby case, but the latter was a derivative of the belted Holland & Holland family. I would like to see them actualy build the Taylor on the Hawkeye. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. I was worried for a hot minute that the .460 might be more accurate, but I had impressive results with both during my last couple trips to the range. I have a .416 Rigby and .458 WM, so have no first-hand experience with either of the Weatherby cartridges. A few years ago, an extensive test was conducted using three dBA meters placed at different distances and angles from the muzzle of a 300 Winchester Magnum. It looks like a great platform for such an endeavor but I probably wouldn't buy one. At the same time Federal brought out a modern load for the .470 Nitro Express, so it wasnt just the .416 that was being revived in that crazy year of 1988-1989! Their .378/.460 case is dimensionally the same as the .416 Rigby case, except the Weatherby version wears a belt. A true rifle loonie is not required to justify his choice in cartridges solely on the merits of a given cartridge. The .416 Remington is loaded to higher pressureas is the .416 Weatherby. The design is like a Partition, except for having quite a heavier "H-shaped" copper structure, which in turn allows for slower expansion than the Partition, and this is very useful at . The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. 378 Weatherby Magnum This lucite Cartridge Block is now obsolete, because it does not contain the new-for-2016 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. 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