It has helped me to put my thoughts in perspective because nothing else has. Cans Natz. what happens to all their debt now? Im not saying she killed anyone, but I think she goaded him. 500k is insane, no matter what year it was! Its very clinical and he doesnt sound like he has real empathy for what they went through. The apostrophe made no fucking sense. Facebook Chris Watts . Regardless she didnt murder her children, the psychopath Chris Watts took their lives . He was booked on three counts each of first-degree murder and tampering with physical evidence on Thursday. It doesnt appear that there was any history of beating or physical or sexual abuse with them & Chris (that we know of), so what the fuck happened? She had DOUBLE Munchausen's! Chris should be let out of prison and given the chance to be hot again. [quote] in 2018, they were already in debt to the tune of almost 500K. Yes, R228, I agree with everything you wrote. Not only the people, but the backdrop to the story: middle class striving, cheap looking overpriced McMansion, Colorado oil country, an MLM scheme financially bleeding the couple, the killer husband's mistress, strife with the in-laws, posing on Instagram as if you've got life all figured out, showing off all the materialistic crap you charged on credit cards, etc. Said, he refused couples counseling., Shanann was expecting a son they planned to name Niko. in Carthage, NC. Worse than anything that I or any DL detective squad member dreamed upand we had a lot of theories about what went down since this happened. I wrote that R420 post on the last thread, out of ballistic anger at how this confidence woman (conwoman) is getting canonized on other forums. Her folks referred to her as Shannan at Chris's sentencing and she was named in thar lawsuit against the rim shop as Shannan King (her first husband's surname). \ 25 FEB-3 MARCH 2023 More adventures in \ } i " Back for the final series the Star Wars galaxy SRY. Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. They seem pale and fought lookingnot fat, but just a bit slack, unfocused and just unhealthy. When the song ends, Bella blows the candles out on the round cake adorned with a butterfly on the side. She named him Nico Lee. I spoke with LEONARD KING ( ) by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. Which is what no one can explain. I dont know what kind of insurance they had, but wow. It was Bumfuck, NC, but still worth $400k. And its interesting to see how people defend her nauseating videos (it was for her JOB!) and bitchiness to her husband and children (I boss my husband. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. Bella especially went through absolute hell. Like an entire store's worth. R111, no-fault; yes, regarding reasons for separation and division of assets. I also think those same things motivate him to not be completely truthful about his true motives, etc. I will be curious to know if he was on the spectrum in some way. Sandra Rzucek wrote that in her 2018 letter to the DA. Mother of Bella Marie Watts; Celeste Cathryn Watts and Nico Lee Watts Why the haste to get out of there so quickly? Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche], TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE Visit the post for more. If so, nice of him not to say so. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. They filed for chapter 7 BK in 2015 too, same year as the Watts. Quiet people may appear calm but Chris was not quiet inside. The Watts family murders occurred in Frederick, Colorado, United States, during the early morning hours of August 13, 2018. LEONARD does not believe that the divorce decree addressed the life insurance policies. R166: Do you have evidence of this scamming and embezzlement? Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] January 14, 2019 / crimerocket_pmfrt4 / 34 Comments. I wish I could describe betterthey remind me of some kids I know whose parents are lazy vegans whose idea of dinner for a two-year-old is a baby bowl of lentils with white vinegar sprinkled over and pretty much that all the time. The discovery documents released by the Weld County District Attorney's office last week related to the murder investigation include an anecdote He had heard about the case in which SHANANN and her children were missing. Chris pleaded guilty to the crimes that . John Forbes officiating. She was a little grifter bitch. She wanted her name to be unique and to standoutand to make pharmacists nervous about trying to call it out over the PA system without offending her. Chris and Shanann met in 2010 in their home state of North Carolina and got married on Nov. 3, 2012. After several days of publicly protesting that he had not seen his wife or daughters after leaving for work on Monday, Watts broke down and confessed to the murders on Wednesday, police said. I thought that we at DL had figured out what likely happened months ago (had pretty good, comprehensive theories about that night that made sense): he covered the girls faces while they were asleep in their beds (possibly even after sedating them) so they quickly died practically in their sleep and never knew that it was daddy who did it. The only thing Chris thought about when he snuffed them out, was his personal freedom as a newly buff beefcake to fuck Nicole Kessinger as well as other women (come on, he didn't just do this for HER only), and enjoy keeping his income for himself and his own pleasures. I SWEAR she had it. He admitted to that. etc. All parents would want the best education for their children. I got smacked around for saying it, but Chris is boring and shes much more interesting. Who extends credit to a bankrupt couple living in a gigantic home? Dirty South has some shitty Yelp reviews. I cant figure out how they got so deeply in debt AGAIN after the first bankruptcy. John Forbes officiating. Look at how Shanann tells Cassie to ask if she can buy a house using her Mother, since Cassie and Josh Rosenberg under went a foreclosure 3 years ago. Shanann was such a grifter. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. Today, February 1, was Shannan's due date for her unborn baby. Everybody was buying houses they couldn't afford and hoping to flip them for an easy profit. But pronounce it HayZoos. I'm surprised there is so much suspicion about how Shannan afforded that big house in NC. Shed go to his friends houses and make fun of them after, for being too small or not having proper china or their decor for being quaint (thats rich). So all around, it would have been a lose-lose. His brother's widow (Arie) spoke to an NBC affiliate station in NC that she was "sick over it" and that it was "heartbreaking." Also, the surgery was in autumn, 2017, two years after the 2015 BK. In a new documentary from Netflix, newly revealed letters and texts show that Shanann had no idea that her marriage would soon turn deadly. They all look like a ringing endorsement of health, R15. You dont consider others at all, nor think about others' feelings.. "ACTION TAKEN: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. Do you know where she's at?" Lucky for these scammers theres HIPAA. Why did her kids always have parallel medical problems? Chriss mom is a nasty soul and exhibits the toxic traits of a Narcissist herself, and so it would make sense. Grahm Coder says repeatedly, Help us bring them out of the cold." Probably. LEONARDs current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. Especially Scooby Nickole! John Forbes officiating. And to restate the obvious again - if you are married, make sure you have your own individual accounts. Safe to say they were actually depending on Chris's 60k, which didn't cover their oversized suburban lifestyle. Plus the kids looked unusually old in their faces. A Ryan Murphy miniseries on this needs to happen. I think men (more than women) think Chris Watts is attractive. They're standing on a porch and look sweet and feminine. The FBI agents are being complimented as ingenius interrogators, but their smarminess is also cringeworthy. R38, Id love to know how they were able to afford their lifestyle, too. You are a complete moron if you think she killed her kids. Fact: Court documents listed Shanann as a co-owner of Dirty South. The cops never made her google searches public, but i am guessing she did a LOT of searches on her milquetoast co-workers, looking for just the right pigeon to pluck. Sorry, anyone that feels for this monster needs his or her head examined, pronto. Dont interrupt me. SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. She wanted the large house. You live in Colorado and you dont go on hikes? Every real life character in this story is interesting, especially the victim. R146 If the Watts murders hadn't occurred I think as time went on the children would've been increasingly, negatively impacted by Shannan's hypochondria, delusional thinking, over-spending, vindictiveness and general megalomania. Whats even MORE puzzling is how she bought that first house. She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. However, anyone who devotes MONTHS to harping on how annoying a dead woman was when she was alive, has all the screws loose. He was a submissive man, and those kinds are always resentful. Just stunning. I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. Heyy Guyzz Just wanted to remind my fave DL'ers..hey Kiki, hey girl, um, hi Missy, hey girl..um, my fave DL'ers to keep on thrivin' cuz you know, um, hey Karen, heyy Shawna..i suffer from OCD, AIDS, Cancer, ADHD, NPD, Lupus and i will tell you that since I started workin for this company, i was in really bad health..hey Buffy hey girl..Wut Chris? He refused to hug me after he said he will try to work it out! Fact: Hisham Bedwan, co-owner and Shananns boss at Dirty South joked around with Shanann during one of her FB Live videos. On August 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann in their Colorado home. Maybe he didn't want to be full-time parent. WHAT? Oh to be a remotely attractive straight white man. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" Text and recorded audio files were released by Colorado officials Thursday after an in-prison interview with Chris Watts. Nickole hadn't wanted to bother Shanann's husband, Chris Watts, as he worked out in the oil fields. Always always have your own liquid accounts if you are married! He had already been contacted by NBC News. Its something Borderlines do, although I dont think she was one. Its my OPINION that people who mess around with their name are waving a red flag. Perhaps Chris thought that as well. R181: The friend is Chris Watts ex-girlfriend. From her sketchy past and grifting ways, to the possible Munchausen Syndrome or Factitious Disorder, to the MLM scheme she was knee-deep in, to her dozens of vapid Facebook livestreams and Instagram posts now eternally available for public consumption and dissection, to her manipulation of "friends" and family, it's evident she was at best a woman desperate to appear more successful than she was ever capable of being, and at worst, a straight up con woman. The fact that he didn't anticipate her friends blowing up her phone shows how dumb he is. I have friends whose kids have asthma, and they do not have that sort of look. Maybe some day well get to the truth about the Dirty South business. Im male & a longtime DLer and you can MARY! me all you want to (Im sure I deserve it), but this confession is extremely emotionally upsetting to me to read. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. Clothes, protein bars, vitamin supplements, make-up. The 500K was in 2015as of 2018, they were about 100K in debt (student loans, etc.) That's twice a year every year for 10 years. She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. I like it - two snarky, bitchy Englishwomen can be quite entertaining. Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. What do you mean needed Chris to pay the bills- they both needed each other to pay the bills. 06:51 GMT 17 Aug 2018. R136. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. At least the Watts kids had a good life while they had one. I can't believe this thread got GRAY-LINED! It makes the story a little more interesting, that she wasn't the perfect victim. Two years later, he is housed at Dodge Correctional Institution, a maximum-security prison, in Waupun, Wisconsin. Nothing out of the box. He was locked up within 48 hours. He even put her body next to their feet on the floor of the truck with her head & feet covered with *trash bags* and took an hour driving them to the site they would be murdered at. "When Shanann Watts blew out the candles on her birthday cake on January 10, 2018, with her two young daughters by her side, she had no idea it would be her last birthday or that all three of them would be dead in the coming year. Look up the Anadarko explosion that occurred at battery in Mead, CO, about 20 miles from Cervi 319, the battery Chris Watts buried his wife at, and at which he dumped his daughters bodies into tanks. The family is survived by Shananns father, Frank Rzucek; Mother, Sandra Onorati Rzucek; Brother, Frankie Rzucek whom were inseparable and best friends; Uncle, Rocky Onorati; Aunt, Sharyn Onorati; Aunt, Robynn Odom; Uncle, Steve Onorati; and many nieces, nephews, cousins and close friends. The Rzucek's Say They Loved Chris At First. Spot on r147. shit, and Chris made, what around 90,000 a year? She was an odious frau and I could believe she was a Munchausen's case. What do you mean? ACTION TAKEN: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. Even NK barely talked about what he was like. Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant, and appeared to be happily married, according to Atkinson. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. I thought this thread was entitled 'Let's talk about Shannan Watts' as an excuse to get back to talking about Chris? She would have received spousal support but there is a time limit on that. She was the store manager. I also want to see her car model pictures too. Chris Watts, 33, is charged with three counts of first-degree . R135, the timing of the name change seems to perfectly coincide with her fleeing from North Carolina and the Shan'annigens she had been involved in there. Her mother wasnt meddling in her business. Can you imagine her as a single parent? "She had dreams to be fulfilled" and "wanted to be an exceptional wife and mother," the pastor said of Watts, 34. I feel like I need to add something special to my name too. R231, thats a very good point. , updated Maybe I will become Jesus. Theres also the reality check that she might not have been able to leave the state if Chris filed for joint custody. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. Maybe they had a parent cosign for them, or something. She wasn't some hermit shut in who posted incessantly on DL. Christopher Lee Watts (born May 16, 1985)[1] admitted to murdering his pregnant wife Shanann Cathryn Watts (ne Rzucek; born January 10, 1984) by strangulation. In response to comments on the post, Shanann said that it was a '3 foot doll' that had been wrapped in 'their twister tarp thing'. ", Weeks earlier, while she was in North Carolina visiting her family with daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, she wrote to Chris: l realized during this trip whats missing in our relationship! Clothes, protein bars, vitamin supplements, make-up. So I put her parents in the same category as all of the other people and businesses she has conned. DEFINITELY 1 and 3, probably 2. I remember there was some anti-Lularore/MLM site that had stories of men divorcing their wives due to MLM debt. Why did he hate those little girls so much? Just saying, R244 Like that YouTube family whose kid died of a random heart or brain condition and they livestreamed his funeral "for the fans". Considering the p.o.s. She was a miserable user. How did they swing this house?! We never had to go to the ER together. I asked about SHANANNs skills in conflict resolution. There was also a history of her old houses sale price. Was he going to explode them in a tank and then sue? Janny Free please dont call them little monsters they died but the hand of their father, and Bella was such a sweet little girl, and CeCe was younger she was still in toddler stageShe was gonna grow out of itNo matter what happened between these adults they didnt deserve to die, and neither did Shanann RIP Shanann and your 3 Angels Bella Celeste Nico , Janny didnt call them little monsters she was repeating what Shanann called them in one of her videos . Had Chris had 30k of his own liquid funds for the divorce and post-divorce actions, he couldve gotten primary physical custody of his kids, since Shannan wouldve no doubt engaged in parental alienation, factitious disorder by proxy, and financial disaster. Rinse and repeat in Colorado except the down payment probably came out of Chris's and/or her parents (who also filed bk) bank accounts. Just like Shanann had her parents Sandra and Frank move in in 2015/2016 meanwhile while Shanann/Chris and Sandra/Frank file BK? I spoke with LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. She didnt realize how controlling she became, according to his accusations. I am so very sorry all of this happened but perhaps it gives pause for thought when making decisions. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. Every quality I listed was well-documented in her videos and texts which revealed her dealings with others, as well as her attitude and perspective. He deserves peace. 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